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1 Dark_Falcon  Sep 28, 2014 8:18:38am

Things won’t change till unemployment takes a major drop: Right now its still a hirer’s market and companies pick those whom they think will give them the best results with the least amount of disruption.

2 FemNaziBitch  Sep 28, 2014 9:48:39am

re: #1 Dark_Falcon

Things won’t change till unemployment takes a major drop: Right now its still a hirer’s market and companies pick those whom they think will give them the best results with the least amount of disruption.

Which is Bullshit. Until the ADA, people in wheelchairs had a difficult time working. Has their presence in the work place truly disrupted profits?

Same could be said about people of color and Women.

It’s freakin’ sad we have to make laws to force employers to hire qualified workers.

We cannot continue to sideline our best resource: Human Beings, because of xenophobia and stigma.

3 lostlakehiker  Sep 28, 2014 11:34:28pm

Mentally ill people frequently don’t function very well in the workplace while they’re ill. Some won’t get better. Some might or might not, but the time for that to happen or not happen isn’t while they’re supposed to be doing work that matters that they can’t do because they can’t focus or think straight.

People who have been through a mental illness and come out on the other side? A different story. But the Americans with Disability Act doesn’t require employers to take on and pay workers who just flat can’t do the work, not even with a reasonable accommodation. Just to take a couple of cases I’ve seen—-one guy developed Tourette’s Syndrome. You can’t carry out the essential duties of a professor if you can’t stop yourself cussing a blue streak or shouting out stuff that has nothing to do with anything. You just can’t. Or the other case—-early onset dementia. Again, just no way to work around it.

These guys weren’t “assets” any longer. They were casualties of life, and as with battlefield casualties, the thing to do was to get them off the firing line and into such care as could be provided.

And now we come to another point. It’s just not true that 1 in 5 workers, in any given year, experience `mental illness’. Not unless we medicalize the mental health equivalent of a cold. Which people mostly just soldier on through. The incidence of psychosis, paranoia, and depression at the level which counts in medical diagnostic terms as depression rather than dysphoria, is no 20%.

People who’ve been through depression? No different than people who’ve been through cancer…they’re neither of them entirely out of the woods, but then, the woods are all around us. Nobody’s ‘out of the woods’. Everybody’s at risk, to some extent. Good to go, for the time being. ADA in action, doing what it was written to do, when it requires employers to put aside misgivings and cold calculations about likely effect on the cost of providing medical care down the road if and when there’s a recurrence. Such calculations are logical but in the aggregate they work out to a variation on the tragedy of the commons. And one of the things government and law is best suited to is resolving tragedy of the commons type traps.


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